If you thought I'm too old for this sort of childish moron-baiting, I'm afraid you're sorely mistaken. This month I've been emailing Boots to ask how much Arnica is in one of their Arnica 30C remedies. Obviously I know the answer - there is none. Boots also know the answer.
It's quite amusing however, to see them trying to avoid giving me this answer. The email trail follows.
10:23.
8 January 2010 21:03
Hi,
I'm used to seeing the quantity of ingredients listed in mg rather that as "6C" or "30C" as your
homeopathic remedies are labelled.
Can you clarify for me how many mg of Arnica is in one of your "Arnica 30C" tablets? I tried to work it out, but I think I got confused at some point.
Thanks,
Simon
11 January 2010 17:39
Dear Simon
Thank you for taking the time to email me regarding Boots Arnica 30c (item code 37-71-814) with regard to converting the content of Arnica into milligrams.
I am afraid, however, that it is not possible to convert "centesimal" (c) dilutions of Homoeopathic remedies into milligrams (mg) or micrograms (mcg).
During the manufacturing of
Homoeopathic remedies the amount of Arnica is not quantified in milligrams or micrograms. Instead one drop of Arnica (or other Homoeopathic ingredient) is added to ninety-nine drops of diluent (carrier) to produce a 1 centesimal (1c) potency, which is then further diluted to produce a 6c or 30c product.
I hope that this information is of use to you.
Regards
Paul Williams MRPharmS
Medical Information (Pharmacist) Officer
11 January 2010 18:17
Hi,
Sorry, I'm confused by this. Surely there is a specific amount of Arnica in the pills which can be measured in mg?
If, as you suggest, that a 1C remedy is 1% Arnica then surely if it was a 100mg pill, then this would be 1mg Arnica. Why isn't this correct?
Simon
14 January 2010 13:27
Dear Simon
Thank you for your second e-mail regarding Boots Arnica 30c (item code 37-71-814).
Unfortunately, the amount of Arnica (or other
Homoeopathic ingredient) in the drop that is then subsequently diluted with 99 drops of diluent (carrier) is not quantified in milligrams (mg) or micrograms (mcg).
Thus, although it is true to say that a 1 centesimal (1c)
Homoeopathic remedy contains 1 part of Arnica, as the amount of Arnica is not initially quantified then it is not possible to convert this into milligrams (mg) or micrograms (mcg).
Therefore, with regard to
Homoeopathic remedies we are not able to state the quantity of Arnica in milligrams (mg) or micrograms (mcg) for the reason outlined above.
The labelling of our products is in accordance with guidelines on the labelling of
Homoeopathic remedies, which are derived from The Medicines and Healthcare Products Regulatory Agency (known as the MHRA), which is the UK medicines regulator. These guidelines state that the scientific name of the "stock" (i.e. Arnica) and centesimal dilution should be declared on the labelling.
I hope that this further information is of use to you.
Kind Regards
Paul Williams MRPharmS
Medical Information (Pharmacist) Officer
Medical Services
14 January 2010 15:39
Dear Paul,
Thank you for your reply, and I understand that without knowing the mass of the original drop of Arnica it would be impossible to determine the subsequent mass of Arnica in the final product. However, it should easily be possible to determine the percentage of Arnica in the final 30C remedy.
Am I correct that a 1C remedy is 1% active ingredient? That it is 99% water and 1% Arnica?
What is the percentage of Arnica in the final 30C product?
I've been trying to work this out myself, but I think I've gone wrong somewhere. This will allow me to make an approximate estimate of the number of mg of Arnica.
Many thanks for your help,
Simon
18 January 2010 16:29
Dear Simon
Thank you for you further e-mail regarding Boots Arnica 30c (item code 37-71-814).
I can confirm that a 1c Homoeopathic remedy comprises of 1% of the
Homoeopathic ingredient i.e. Arnica and 99% of the diluent (carrier).
I can also confirm that to produce a 2c Homoeopathic remedy 1 drop of the 1c
Homoeopathic dilution is then further diluted with 99 drops of diluent (carrier). This would equate to 0.01% of the Homoeopathic ingredient i.e. Arnica.
To produce a 3c Homoeopathic remedy this method of dilution is repeated with one drop of the 2c dilution and so on in order to produce a 30c Homoeopathic remedy.
The labelling of our products is in accordance with guidelines on the labelling of
Homoeopathic remedies, which are derived from The Medicines and Healthcare Products Regulatory Agency (known as the MHRA), which is the UK medicines regulator. These guidelines state that the scientific name of the "stock" (i.e. Arnica) and centesimal dilution should be declared on the labelling.
I hope that this information is of use to you and is sufficient to allow you to calculate the percentage of Arnica.
If you require further support in understanding
Homoeopathic remedies then you may wish to contact the supplier for this product, Nelsons, via enquiries@nelsons.net.
Regards
Paul Williams MRPharmS
Medical Information (Pharmacist) Officer
18 January 2010 18:02
Hi Paul,
Thanks for your reply, however I'm still having problems with my calculation. While the figures seem to make sense from a mathematical point of view, the percentage of Arnica seems to reduce fairly rapidly to seemingly absurd quantities.
As you said in your email, these products are licensed by the MHRA and of course they are sold by Boots, so I've no doubt as to their effectiveness.
So the only logical conclusion I can draw is that I've made a mess of the mathematics.
Can you confirm the answer you get for a 30C remedy?
Many thanks,
Simon
22 January 2010 15:37
Dear Simon
Thank you for your further e-mail regarding Boots Arnica 30 c (item code 37-71-814) with regard to calculating the percentage of Arnica.
Whilst the information about the dilutions of
Homoeopathic remedies is freely available from validated reference sources, the actual percentage in a 30 c
Homoeopathic remedy is not stated and, therefore, I am afraid I am unable to provide this information.
At Boots we take our responsibilities as the leading Pharmacy-led Health & Beauty retailer in the UK very seriously and as part of this we pride ourselves on being able to offer all of our customers a choice of products that support them in their day-to-day lives. We know that many people believe in the benefits of complementary medicines and we aim to offer the products we know our customers want.
I can confirm that Boots Arnica 30 c are a
licensed Homoeopathic product without approved therapeutic indications. The pack is labelled in accordance with the requirements placed upon the Marketing Authorisation holder, Nelsons, by the Medicines and Healthcare Products Regulatory Agency. If you would like to contact the Marketing Authorisation holder to discuss the formulation of this product and the manufacturing process in more detail they are contactable at enquiries@nelsons.net.
Our Pharmacists are trained Healthcare Professionals and are on hand to offer advice on the safe use of complementary medicines. The Royal Pharmaceutical Society of Great Britain issues guidance to Pharmacists on the correct selling of
Homoeopathy, which our Pharmacists adhere to.
I would like to conclude by confirming that Boots support the call for scientific research and evidence gathering on the efficacy of Homoeopathic medicines as this would help our patients and customers make better informed choices about using
Homoeopathic medicines.
I hope that this information is of use to you.
Regards
Paul Williams MRPharmS
Medical Information (Pharmacist) Officer
Medical Services
23 January 2010 08:52
Hi Paul,
I get the impression that you are trying hard to avoid answering my question.
In an earlier email you say that it is possible to calculate the percentage of Arnica in a 1C and 2C remedy but then without reason you say you cannot do it for a 30C remedy. Yet in a previous email you state that the information you gave me should be sufficient for the calculation.
The problems I was having when calculating the amount of Arnica is that every time I did the maths, the result came out that there was no Arnica remaining in the 30C remedy.
This is a perfectly simple and clear question: is there any Arnica remaining in an Arnica 30C remedy?
Many thanks,
Simon
As yet - no response.